21.10.2007

VanceS contributed 84 messages, 2 emotes during 132 minutes. 2007.10.21 05:22:34 Login Room: VirtualVance VanceS joined the room. VanceS left the room. Room: TI_Reception VanceS joined the room. DennisOl joined the room. VanceS: hey Dennis DennisOl: Hi, folks. BarbaraS1 smiles BarbaraS1: how are you at this early hour? DennisOl: Hey, Vance. It's good to see you here. Are you back in Abu Dhabi? DennisOl smiles back at Bobbi VanceS: yep, reunited with Bobbi here VanceS: or there, across town BarbaraS1: he just got back like really late last night DennisOl: I'm doing OK, Bobbi. I've actually been up for a while, but I had to check some other things. DennisOl: Well, welcome back, Vance! I've been thinking about you! VanceS: me too, java problems on my laptop BarbaraS1: oh that's good DennisOl: Merhaba, Sedat! I hope you're doing well. DennisOl: Vance: Do you still have to sit on your laptop to make it work? BarbaraS1: i think he is away BarbaraS1: sedat that is DennisOl: Ah, I see . . . . SedatA: hi all VanceS: I got a new recharger in the states BarbaraS1: ah there he is DennisOl: Merhaba, Sedat! It's good to see you here. VanceS: works in the car DennisOl: Terrific, Vance! VanceS: hi sedat SedatA: it is nice to see you too SedatA: hi Vance DennisOl: I miss the Multilit webcasts, Vance. BarbaraS1: those are interesting for sure DennisOl: Definitely! VanceS: they were hectic for me DennisOl: I'm sure they were! VanceS: if you want to know what can possibly go wrong DennisOl: BTW, I'm a Webcast Academy intern now . . . finally. VanceS: just in case you're curious DennisOl: Yes? VanceS: you can try webcasting DennisOl: For sure! BarbaraS1: haha VanceS: we should start a show dennis DennisOl: I'd love it! DennisOl: But I need to learn more about webcasting first. I've just "begun the journey." VanceS: how is it going so far? VanceS: recorded your intro? DennisOl: So far so good. Yes, I've done my intro. BarbaraS1: that's a good start DennisOl: Yes, it's gone well enough so far. I've enjoyed it. DennisOl: The intro is here: DennisOl: http://www.webcastacademy.net/node/1436 VanceS: next step is to get both sides of a skype conference DennisOl: Yep. DennisOl: I want to learn to do that on a Mac and PC. VanceS: nice intro DennisOl: Thanks. VanceS: I didn't know you played VanceS :-0 SedatA is still listening DennisOl: Played what? DennisOl: he he he VanceS: in an orchestra (LOL) DennisOl chuckles DennisOl: Actually I have--but that was a long time ago. DennisOl: I played oboe. VanceS: yes, that was an oboe wasn't it DennisOl: There was an oboe taking the main theme, but only after it had been done on horn a couple of times. VanceS: nice musical segues DennisOl: Thanks. It ends too abruptly, though, and the "outro" is a little long, I think. BarbaraS1: you have a nice voice Dennis DennisOl: José said that the intro should be at be at a different sample rate. I tried to fix that yesterday and couldn't. Earlier this morning, though, I didn't have any problems doing that. BarbaraS1: first time I've heard it I think DennisOl: Thanks, Bobbi. Like many people, I don't actually like my recorded voice very much, but "I am what I am." VanceS: Jose is realy helpful DennisOl: Yes, very. VanceS: why different sample rate? BarbaraS1: it's very clear and calming DennisOl: He says it's better for music. BarbaraS1 left the room (signed off). DennisOl: Thanks, Bobbi. That's exactly what I wanted. VanceS: oh i see, in case of music VanceS: true DennisOl: Yep. VanceS: but probably not all that important DennisOl: I thought the music sounded OK. VanceS: would increase file size DennisOl: Yes, definitely. I don't know by how much. DennisOl: Where did Bobbi go? VanceS: she hit a wrong key VanceS: she's reporting on MSN DennisOl: Ah. I've done that a thousand times! :-( VanceS: what's sedat been up to I wonder DennisOl: I don't know, but he's been involved in some very interesting things. BarbaraS1 joined the room. VanceS: I hope he'll come back and tell us about them VanceS: hp DennisOl: WB, Bobbi! BarbaraS1: hi ;) VanceS: meanwhile, like what Dennis? DennisOl: Yes, I hope so, too, Vance. BarbaraS1: i think i hit the wrong key VanceS: I met hiim in Ankara btw DennisOl: Really? How neat! BarbaraS1: and got kicked out of tappedin :) VanceS: he gave a workshop DennisOl: "Meanwhile, like what"????? VanceS: I mean, what did you mean by interesting thngs DennisOl: Got kicked out of Tapped In??? LOL! VanceS: we do try to hold to some standards here SedatA: I have been listening to the news SedatA: on TV SedatA: sorry DennisOl: Oh, nothing in particular. I've seen and read about a number of his projects, and I thought they were interesting. BarbaraS1: lol i kicked myself out i think DennisOl: What projects are you working on now, Sedat? VanceS: one thing he's been doing is putting these chats online for us DennisOl: Bobbi: I've done that, too! BarbaraS1 smiles SedatA: we are working on discourse analysis of webheads' chat logs VanceS: you've kicked bobbi out too? SedatA: on Sundays DennisOl: Great! Tesekür ederim, Sedat! VanceS: yes, maybe I can send you some as we speak DennisOl: No, I've kicked myself out. SedatA smiles DennisOl: Sounds good to me, Vance. SedatA: yes thank you Vance BarbaraS1: if you have a lot of windows open DennisOl smiles back BarbaraS1: easy to do DennisOl: Yes, that's when I've kicked myself out: too many windows open. DennisOl: I often hit the wrong key and kick myself out if I have different browsers open. SedatA smiles DennisOl: SS: "Smiling Sedat" VanceS: checking out http://k12onlineconference.org/docs/k12online2007schedule.html BarbaraS1 left the room (signed off). VanceS: oh, day off today I see SedatA: and I am checking the latest news SedatA: in Turkey.... VanceS: new reforms in turkey I hear SedatA: we had some bad news BarbaraS1 joined the room. VanceS: also, green light to invade iraq SedatA: this morning 15 soldiers were killed again VanceS: what else? SedatA: by PKK SedatA: terrorists VanceS: in Iraq or in Turkey? SedatA: They came from the Northern Iraq SedatA: and killed our soldiers in Turkey DennisOl: Are they Iraqi, Kurds, or what? SedatA: then escaped back SedatA: PKK SedatA: they also kill Kurds VanceS: could be almost anyone, provocateurs SedatA: they are mostly Kurds SedatA: but the Kurds living in Turkey have been killed as wel... SedatA: by that terrorist group VanceS: so many terrorists, so many terrorist governments DennisOl: I just got PKK on Google. Will read more about them later. VanceS: bobbi attended a seminar on bullying yesterday BarbaraS1: yes it was very interesting VanceS: it seemed to suggest that government policy impacts people in society VanceS: regarding bullying behaviors DennisOl: I wouldn't be surprised at that, Vance. BarbaraS1: the talk was by Barbara Coloroso BarbaraS1: the Canadians all heard of her DennisOl: Who's she? BarbaraS1: but i didnt' BarbaraS1: educator, author DennisOl: I see. I found this link: DennisOl: http://www.thinkingpeace.com/Lib/lib084.html DennisOl: (An article by B. Coloroso: "The Bully, the Bullied, and the Bystander") VanceS: i just googled her myself DennisOl: Great minds etc. . . . . :-) BarbaraS1: yes BarbaraS1: she was very interesting DennisOl: I'm sure. In a nutshell, what's her message? BarbaraS1: and she spoke of children as bullies BarbaraS1: and adults DennisOl: There are plenty of bullies around. Always have been, I imagine. BarbaraS1: and how they are affected by state sponsored bullying SvetlanaM joined the room. DennisOl: States sponsoring bullying. Interesting. BarbaraS1: such as govenments bullying their minorities, etc. DennisOl: Privet, Svetlana! It's good to have you here! VanceS: like looking in your rear view and seeing a police car DennisOl: Definitely, Vance! BarbaraS1: http://www.canada.com/topics/lifestyle/parenting/story.html?id=30894bbd-b937-4c83-abea-d0d0e280cd67&k=89284 SvetlanaM: Thanks. I'm an hour late, I realise it now. May I just lurk? DennisOl: Or having a policeperson stare at you. DennisOl: No, go ahead and join in, Svetlana. This is a free-form discussion. SvetlanaM: OK, thanks everyone. DennisOl -) DennisOl: That was supposed to be a smile, Svetlana! BarbaraS1: It's there in just about everything I've written: the bullying and the contempt. Sibling rivalry is to armed conflict what bullying is to genocide. It's the showing of contempt for others.'' BarbaraS1: one of her quotes DennisOl: Hear, hear. It's a sad comment on the human condition, isn't it? DennisOl: Where are you chatting from, Svetlana? (I'm in Phoenix, Arizona, U.S.A.) SvetlanaM: I'm in London, UK. Dennis DennisOl: Ah, I see. BarbaraS1: http://www.quillandquire.com/authors/profile.cfm?article_id=7530 BarbaraS1: and so on DennisOl: We're a small group this morning, but an international one. DennisOl: Thanks for the links, Bobbi. BarbaraS1: hi svetlana BarbaraS1: sure BarbaraS1: np DennisOl smiles SvetlanaM: Hi Barbara and everyone. SedatA: hi SvetlanaM: Don't let me interrupt your discussion. DennisOl: Bobbi was telling us about a seminar on bullying that she attended. SvetlanaM: ok. Bullying at school, right? BarbaraS1: i was giving some links to the speakers work DennisOl: Right. BarbaraS1: yes, but she compares it to genocide DennisOl: Oh? BarbaraS1: the same comtempt of others DennisOl: Ah, I see: contempt for "the others." BarbaraS1: taken to a much greater scale of course DennisOl: Yes--contempt for anyone who is not like oneself. BarbaraS1: right DennisOl: How sad. BarbaraS1: isolating, antagonizing SvetlanaM: Lack of respect for life in its many forms, you mean, right? DennisOl: So it would seem. BarbaraS1: right DennisOl: Lack of respect for diversity. DennisOl: Lack of respect for other points of view. DennisOl: Lack of respect for groups unlike one's own. SedatA left the room (signed off). DennisOl: Lack of respect to the point of isolating, antagonizing, discriminating against, persecuting . . . . BarbaraS1: yes and that's what bullies do DennisOl: Definitely! BarbaraS1: and then there are bystanders BarbaraS1: and supporters BarbaraS1: who let it happen and encourage it DennisOl: Yes, and there are lots of people who are bystanders--and even if they're appalled by "bullyism" they support it if they don't discourage it. SvetlanaM: He who can't express himself adequately resorts to violence. So, that's why we're teaching English (or another language) - BarbaraS1: right DennisOl: Definitely, Svetlana! BarbaraS1: i see that in my class BarbaraS1: I teach pre-K DennisOl: I'm sure you do, Bobbi. SvetlanaM: That's not my quote - I just can't remember who said it. But I use it all the time in class. BarbaraS1: and children who cant communicate by words DennisOl: "Fear of the Other" is well established among young kids. BarbaraS1: often use other means to be heard BarbaraS1: and sometimes it's not so pretty VanceS: could be that one who has been violated resorts more readily to violence too BarbaraS1: yes true SvetlanaM: And, half the battle is to get them (people) to realise that that's why they are so angry, frustrated - it's because they can't find the right words. BarbaraS1: of course DennisOl: For sure! For example, acting out, playing the clown . . . . BarbaraS1: they do what they see BarbaraS1: but to a grander scale DennisOl: Yes, definitely, Vance. Ironic, isn't it? DennisOl: Definitely, Svetlana. SvetlanaM: yes, learning by example, Vance, EsraE joined the room. DennisOl: Hi, Esra. Welcome. EsraE: thank you DennisOl smiles EsraE: you are welcome too DennisOl smiles again BarbaraS1: hi esra EsraE: hi SvetlanaM: And hi from me, roo, Esra :-) VeliB joined the room. EsraE: hi VanceS: hi veli VeliB: hi DennisOl: Fortunately, however, small kids can be remarkably flexible and accepting . . . even though "Fear of the Other" and getting attention negatively DennisOl: can be well established at an early age. BarbaraS1: yes it's amazing how resilient children can be DennisOl: Hi, Veli. Welcome. VeliB: hi,thanx DennisOl: Definitely, Bobbi. DennisOl smiles BarbaraS1: that's why we never give up BarbaraS1: on a child DennisOl: Where are you chatting from, Esra and Veli? (I'm in Phoenix, Arizona, U.S.A.) VanceS: they seem to tolerate bobbi well DennisOl: he he he DennisOl: Tolerance begets tolerance, no? BarbaraS1: haha BarbaraS1: laughing at vances remark BarbaraS1: yes it does BarbaraS1: sometimes you try everything though DennisOl: And that's why your students tolerate Bobbi so well. BarbaraS1: that you know but you feel like you've hit a brick wall DennisOl: Oops: And that's why your students tolerate you wo well, Bobbi. BarbaraS1: happened to me just once DennisOl: Oh, for sure. DennisOl: "Two steps back for every step forward." BarbaraS1: a couple of years ago SvetlanaM: Barbara, in which country are your students? BarbaraS1: in the United Arab Emirates BarbaraS1: but it's the American School BarbaraS1: so they are of many nationalities SvetlanaM: ok, Barbara. And one more question: is your nickname Bobbi? BarbaraS1: Asian, European, etc. BarbaraS1: yes that's me SvetlanaM: OK, the American School here in London has a huge mix of nationalities too BarbaraS1: do you teach there? DennisOl: I'll be back in a few minutes, folks. I need a refill on my coffee. SvetlanaM: No, no, no - I just know a bit about it from friends - BarbaraS1: yes they are more like international schools BarbaraS1: where do you teach? VanceS: I think I know that school BarbaraS1: what level, etc. ThomasLev joined the room. BarbaraS1: or do you teach SvetlanaM: they say that one problem they encounter is the trauma students suffer VanceS: on Marylebonne road? SvetlanaM: from being dislocated so many times ThomasLev: hello! VanceS: hey Thomas BarbaraS1: yes it can be tough SvetlanaM: That this lack of a sense of home affects everything SvetlanaM: Hi, Thomas BarbaraS1: it hit our kids more when they got university age SvetlanaM: oh? I guess so BarbaraS1: they were ok when they were in the international schools overseas BarbaraS1: but trying to fit it BarbaraS1: to a society which is theirs, but not really BarbaraS1: was difficult SvetlanaM: I have a friend who is a speech therapist and she says that the trauma shows itself in speech problems - stuttering etc BarbaraS1: even though we did our best to have them experience their own culture BarbaraS1: yes it could I am sure BarbaraS1: hi tom SvetlanaM: Hi Tom SvetlanaM: yes, Vance I think it's on Marylebone Road and also on Avenue Road (Not sure) EsraE left the room (signed off). DennisOl: "Trying to fit into a society which is theirs, but not really": a difficult situation DennisOl: Hi, Tom. How's by you? BarbaraS1: yes they didn't know the jokes BarbaraS1: etc VeliB left the room. ThomasLev: I'm ok.. DennisOl: Trauma showing through speech problems makes sense, Sveta. ThomasLev: sounds like you're talking about a familiar esl/efl problem DennisOl: Tom: OK is far better than not OK! ThomasLev: of getting abroad and finding you can't afford to come back! DennisOl: Yes, very familiar! VanceS: happened to us DennisOl: And not only "can't afford" in terms of money. VeliB joined the room. DennisOl: Welcome back, Veli! BarbaraS1: we were talking about the kids attending international schools VeliB: thanx DennisOl smiles BarbaraS1: and mover around a lot VeliB: ok BarbaraS1: or kids attending schools in another language too SvetlanaM: Barbara, you asked about me: I used to be DoS of a British Council EFL school, but stopped two years ago. I'm now working on my MA Dissertation in TESOL .. I've been teaching with StudyCom for 4 years now. Used to be a regular attender of Webheads. Hope to be a regular attender again from now on. EBobB joined the room. BarbaraS1: oh good DennisOl: I taught at an international boarding school here in Phoenix. Most of the students there were either foreign nationals or children of parents who traveled internationally. EBobB: Hello all. BarbaraS1: we taught at a boarding school in Hawaii ThomasLev: Hi Bob! BarbaraS1: lots of aramco kids SvetlanaM: I haven't taught children - only adults (at least they thought they were adults ... :-) BarbaraS1: same thing VeliB smiles DennisOl: The behaviors described today were common there--both among limited English speakers and native-English-speaking kids of "vagabond" (but wealthy!) parents. BarbaraS1: yes SvetlanaM: Bully occurs in an adult classroom too - it's just more subtle VanceS: hey ebob BarbaraS1: yes i am sure it does VanceS: I just got home from Houston DennisOl: "At least they thought they were adults": Yes! (chuckling) EBobB: Hey Vance, you are alive!!! VanceS: but I think you're doing a knowplace thing now BarbaraS1: really late last night BarbaraS1: yawn DennisOl: Hey, EB! Yew all raht? VanceS: late last night wasn't so bad VanceS: eary this morning was BarbaraS1: we got 3 hours of sleep! DennisOl: I bet, Vance. DennisOl: Oy, Bobbi! EBobB: I am fine....Knowplace is open this weekend,but I am not the host.....thats next weekend. DennisOl: I guess you' NinaTL joined the room. EBobB: Next weekend, we do Wikis. VanceS: This is from Leanne VanceS: http://lianadevine.wordpress.com/ DennisOl: you're trying to do a crash recovery from jet lag, huh Vance? VanceS: she can't hack into TI this a.m. BarbaraS1 left the room (signed off). VanceS: yea NinaTL: Another message from Leanne: well I can't get the chat window up for some reason, and I haven't time to fuss with it. Please just say hi from me and I'll try again another Sunday when we are connected DennisOl: That's a great blog, Vance--and both Nina (Hi, my friend) and I have commented on it. DennisOl: I heard from Leanne yesterday. DennisOl: The transmission problems that she and Calvin had had earlier seem to have been fixed. NinaTL: I am YMing with Leanne too NinaTL: Hi dennis, Leanne says she will be seeing you next week BarbaraS1 joined the room. DennisOl: The plan is/was to leave Washington today. ThomasLev: Hi Nina--actually I saw that late last night too DennisOl: I hope so, Nina. BarbaraS1: oh the turkey youtube thing is really funny NinaTL: You will love Leanne, Dennis--she is such a mensch DennisOl: She and Calvin will be in Mesa. That's southeast of where I live. NinaTL: Hi everybody ThomasLev: hope you have a big driveway! BarbaraS1: hi nina DennisOl: Yes, that video is hilarious! "The attack of the killer turkey carcass" NinaTL: I saw that NinaTL: - it was funny SvetlanaM: Hi from me too, Nina NinaTL: excuse me have to go afk a sec VanceS: what's the URL BarbaraS1: i love turkey BarbaraS1: but hate hassling with it too EBobB: Vance, is t here a world bridges session t his morning. DennisOl: If we can get together, it probably won't be at my house, Tom. We'll probably have to meet somewhere at a midpoint between here and Mesa. VanceS: no idea eBob but must be at the site DennisOl: Yes, it can definitely be a hassle to roast a turkey--all that taking it out of the oven to baste it. EBobB: BUt you are not hosting one? NinaTL: How far is Mesa from Phoenix? DennisOl: More than 30 miles, Nina. NinaTL: Doesn't sound far to me DennisOl: Nina: See this: DennisOl: http://www.come2az.com/azshopping/ph-area.htm DennisOl: I live near Glendale. NinaTL: My job is 25 miles from my house so I log 250 mpw DennisOl: Before my health issues, it wouldn't have been a problem for me, either. I used to drive about 27 miles one way to get to work, when I taught at ASU in Tempe. DennisOl: But I'm sure Leanne and I can work something out. I hope so; I'd love to meet her (and Calvin)! NinaTL: I can't find Glendale NinaTL: It looks like one big megaurban area DennisOl: It is, Nina. DennisOl: And the greater Phoenix area is one of the fastest-growing areas of the country. DennisOl: Where I live was surrounded by fields when we moved here. Now it's mostly surrounded by houses. DennisOl: And the college where I taught in West Phoenix was scrub land 10 years ago, but completely different now. NinaTL: I just started reading (listening to) Barbara Kingsolver's newest book, 'Animal, Vegetable, Miracle' DennisOl: I haven't heard of it. NinaTL: She's from the East but lived half her life in Tucson SvetlanaM: neither have I heard of it DennisOl: See this link (I'll look at it later, Nina): NinaTL: She moved back East with her family and wrote that she felt she had overstayed her welcome in Tucson because it is a place that cannot support its own population DennisOl: http://www.kingsolver.com/home/index.asp NinaTL: The book (nonfiction) is about eating locally BarbaraS1: i loved Animal Dreams SvetlanaM: 'Kingsolver' is such a cool name! NinaTL: They decided to live for a year eating only what they could grow or buy locally--with a few exceptions like coffee and spices NinaTL: I love all her books DennisOl: I can believe that, Nina (about the problems for Tucson in supporting its own population). SvetlanaM: That's not very relevant - but it's a cool name anyway. NinaTL: Yes, I love her name also DennisOl: Definitely a cool name. NinaTL: Her husband's name is Hopp! NinaTL: but she uses Kingsolver BarbaraS1: Barbara is a nice name too BarbaraS1 smiles DennisOl: What do you think of this name: NinaTL laughs and agrees DennisOl: Blanche Cook Frye DennisOl: (the name of one of my aunts) BarbaraS1: haha love it NinaTL: LOL is it a real one? SvetlanaM: Yes, eating locally is big here in UK. All the supermarkets have discovered that if they want to make a profit, they'd better source their food locally. DennisOl: Yes, it's real. NinaTL: As usual in the US wwe find a way to take a good idea and absurdify it BarbaraS1: have you heard of Ima Hogg BarbaraS1: it's a real hame BarbaraS1: name DennisOl: Yes, Bobbi--a famous Texican! NinaTL: In the Washington Post yesterday, there was an article about a Virginia farmer who has been arrested because he slaughters his own hogs, which he sells to local restaurants and at farmers' markets BarbaraS1: yes a rich one...always inthe papers SvetlanaM: No,now we're started on names. There's a good pronunciation activity for an ice-breaker DennisOl: See this: DennisOl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ima_Hogg NinaTL: The law requires that animals be slaughtered at a state-inspected facility BarbaraS1 left the room (signed off). DennisOl: Definitely, Sveta. NinaTL: Of course the transportation there and the fees drive up the farmer's costs VanceS: Ima Hogg is famous in Houston DennisOl: Tell us more, Sveta. VanceS: rich, generous NinaTL: And her sister, Ura SvetlanaM: Yes, health and hygiene are going to be busy checking all the local producers BarbaraS1 joined the room. NinaTL: What parents could be so cruel? BarbaraS1: i dont know how NinaTL: Imagine what those kids must have gone through when they were in school BarbaraS1: sorry i keep forgetting to open a new window BarbaraS1: and disappear BarbaraS1: when i click on a link :) NinaTL: Sometimes you don't have to (open a new window) and sometimes you do--I can never figure it out BarbaraS1: me either DennisOl: The Ura Hogg thing is an urban myth: DennisOl: http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/library/ff_texa10.htm BarbaraS1: today i keep booting myself BarbaraS1: oh is it? BarbaraS1: i wondered NinaTL: Today clicking on links doesn't work so I have to send the chat to the pasteboard, select and copy the link, open a new browser window myself, and paste it in :-( SvetlanaM: Wait - I click Actions, attach - and then my window remains permanently. BarbaraS1: same is happening to me NinaTL: I am so glad to know that, Dennis BarbaraS1: oh thanks for telling us DennisOl: I can open links in a new window in some browsers, but I can't in the one that I'm using now. BarbaraS1: that's helpful BarbaraS1: me too NinaTL: Well I always use Firefox so it can't be that DennisOl: I always wondered about that myself. There are plenty of stories about "Ima Hogg and her sister Ura." ThomasLev: same here, Dennis. IE gives me a new window, Safari doesn't SvetlanaM: I click on the links and close them and the Detached Tapped In Chat window is stil lthere. DennisOl: I'm using Camino now. ThomasLev: but I don't have IE on this one NinaTL: How's the weather where you are all? Here in Maryland it's finally cooled off a bit, but still mid-drought BarbaraS1: it's getting nice BarbaraS1: really pretty at night DennisOl: It's cooled off in Phoenix, Nina, and at the moment it's a bit windy. BarbaraS1: still fairly warm during the day ThomasLev: we're getting a bit of color ThomasLev: but it's been a dry year SvetlanaM: Here, it's a gorgeous autumn day, clear blue sky with leaves falling all around. Catch a leaf and make a wish - it'll come true for you! NinaTL: Where is "here"? SvetlanaM: Nina, London uK SvetlanaM: UK* DennisOl: I love this time of year in Phoenix. After the temps drop from the triple-digit range, it's very pleasant (though it's dry). NinaTL: Are you from there or originally from Russia, Svetlana? NinaTL: only in the 90s, eh, Dennis? SvetlanaM: hehehe - Father Ukrainian, Mother German, I was born in Tasmania, Australia. Married to an Israeli - great international soup! DennisOl: Sounds wonderful, Sveta. I miss autumn! (I grew up in the midwestern U.S., where autmns are wonderful--brisk breezes, beautifully colored leaves . . . .) DennisOl: Definitely, Nina! BarbaraS1: a love autumn DennisOl: Wow! What a wonderful mixture, Sveta! BarbaraS1: like the first winter days SvetlanaM: Yes, Dennis, autumn has a lot going for it! NinaTL: I was just looking at your member info and ee you are also a violinist--wonderful! SvetlanaM: oh? used to be - that member info is really out of date CarlaA joined the room. SvetlanaM: Sorry. DennisOl: Carlinha! Oí! BarbaraS1: hi carla ThomasLev: too bad, you should pick it up again VanceS: oi NinaTL: You do use "used to be" but I am sure you can still play even if you don;t make your living at it! DennisOl: Carla has been very, very busy recently, folks. ThomasLev: Hi Carla! SvetlanaM: I should change it. CarlaA: hi, everybody! Oi! NinaTL: Carla, dear friend, hi! SvetlanaM: Update it, I mean. CarlaA: hi, nina! So looong.... VanceS: hi carla CarlaA: hi, vance! VanceS: carla is always busy dennis DennisOl: I used to be involved in music, Sveta. CarlaA: kind of, Vance! DennisOl: True, Vance, but she's been busier than usual recently. EBobB: I used to play the radio. CarlaA: I'm always getting myself in trouble! DennisOl: Tell us about the course, Carla. NinaTL: How is it we have never met before, Sveta? I see you are a webhead.. SvetlanaM: Dennis, playing what? or singing? NinaTL: lol EBob VanceS: webcast academy course? NinaTL: a new course, Carla? SvetlanaM: Nina - blush blush blush - I've been remiss at attending - but now I'm back. DennisOl: I played flute and oboe and piano and sang in choirs. I was also a choir director for many years in Russian Orthodox churches. NinaTL: Well, it's very nice to meet you! DennisOl: Luvit, EB. NinaTL: I love Russian Orthodox church music DennisOl: I do, too. SvetlanaM: a choir director - Russian choirs!, Dennis - lovely! NinaTL: I have an old LP with music by Gretchaninoff--heavenly! VanceS: sounds interesting, Dennis DennisOl: Yes, I have great memories, Sveta. DennisOl: It was Vance. CarlaA: oh, Dennis, inspired by Vance, I've been playing a lot with pageflakes and this is my welcome page for the students http://www.pageflakes.com/elearningctj/15892230 . Although the course hasn't started, they started to interact NinaTL: In another lifetime when I was a Russian major at the Univ of Rochester, I sometimes went to a small monastery in upstate New York and attended services (although I am not Christian) NinaTL: I can never forget the lovely music SvetlanaM: Russian choirs always make me cry - salt of the earth. CarlaA: yes, nina, it's an online course I'm devising and teaching for my school in Brazil. It's a listening course for EFL students ThomasLev: I'm a fiddler & have a banjo song on a cd ThomasLev: http://www.myspace.com/parsleysagebrushband BarbaraS1: oh what's it called? BarbaraS1 left the room (signed off). ThomasLev: third song ThomasLev: "Long Way to Centralia" BeyzaY joined the room. BeyzaY: Hi all, CarlaA: funny to hear that, Thomas. I'd never imagine you playing the banjo... SvetlanaM: Carla, today's the first day! Good luck! It looks really cool DennisOl: "Long way to Centralia": Love it! (I have a cousin in Centralia.) CarlaA: hi, beyza! NinaTL: Carla, the page looks very inviting--what a great idea! NinaTL: Hi, Beyza! VeliB: hi beyza CarlaA: yes, svetlana. the first day! ThomasLev: Hi Beyza! SvetlanaM: Thomas, apparently here in London the eukaleili (spelling?) has taken over from the recorder as b BeyzaY: which page are talking about? NinaTL: So many interesting links today and such a long process to explore them :-( SvetlanaM: the most popular instrument in schools. BarbaraS1 joined the room. CarlaA: Nina, I wanted to make it a warm welcome as my guess is that most of the students had never taken an english course online BeyzaY: I think I missed a lot BarbaraS1: i like it! CarlaA: http://www.pageflakes.com/elearningctj/15892230 this Beyza BarbaraS1: the music that is BarbaraS1: and pageflakes too BeyzaY: Thnx a million EBobB: I am off to make coffee.... CarlaA: Bee, how are things? EBobB: See you all next week. DennisOl: Re Russian Orthodox choral music, here's a beautiful link: DennisOl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rftjRraJLEU ThomasLev: ukelele? BeyzaY: cya CarlaA: I'm drinking Brazilian coffee, ebob! Want some? DennisOl: Beyza! It's good to see you here! EBobB: ....and dont forget to got to Knowplace next week for Wiki 101 NinaTL: Tom, I am listening now--is that you playing the banjo? Awesome???? BarbaraS1: very nice, yes EBobB: Bye all. BarbaraS1: bye BeyzaY: my pleasure Dennis EBobB left the room (signed off). ThomasLev: yes VeliB: bye DennisOl: Your course materials are outstanding, Carlinha. VanceS: I'm at work, YouTube is still blocked here NinaTL: I am really enjoying it. I love this kind of music! DennisOl: I'd love a cafezinho, Carlinha! DennisOl: Yes, it's very beautiful, Nina. CarlaA: Loved it, Tom! I'm listening to you playing! DennisOl: cafezhinho??? NinaTL: How long have you been playing banjo, Tom? ThomasLev: thanks! CarlaA: Dennis, I'm still struggling with so many things! yes, cafezinho! SvetlanaM: Thomas - it's brill! NinaTL: zinho I think--am I right? ThomasLev: I actually gave up banjo for fiddle (I play fiddle on the rest of the cd) ThomasLev: but they needed a fill song CarlaA: but I never drink cafezinho! I drink a big cup of coffee! NinaTL: Banjo music makes me happy NinaTL: I wish I could play ThomasLev: they try to get me to play more NinaTL: I'd also love to learn hammered dulcimer CarlaA: I wish I could play something... NinaTL: but I am too busy and too lazy to practice ThomasLev: actually my problem with banjo is that you have to be in a good mood *all the time* NinaTL: so I just listen and tap my foot! DennisOl: What would a big cup of coffee be, Carlinha? a cafezão? SvetlanaM: Carla - actually, musicians need people like to to just listen and enjoy ThomasLev: hammer dulcimer is the best NinaTL: Good point, Sveta, I am that person! CarlaA: as i can't play, my husband plays the guitar and I sing! Badly, but I sing! DennisOl: Have you heard any of Lee Baber's banjo playing, Tom? BeyzaY: I m not patitent enough to play an instrument NinaTL: Have you heard Kathy Fink and Marcy marxer's music? VanceS: i used to play guitar (regularly) ThomasLev: yes! SvetlanaM: We need you, Carla! So, don't you go an learn an instrument. VanceS: hi Beyza BarbaraS1: you play well vance BeyzaY: Hi Vance CarlaA: dennis, I'd say "um copão de café"! BarbaraS1: i'm a fan DennisOl: Vance: I think I've seen a photo of you playing a guitar, but I don't remember where. CarlaA: or uma "xicrona de café" VeliB: do you know the turkish enstrument baglama? DennisOl: Got it, Carlinha! Obrigado! BeyzaY: yes ThomasLev: um copao...how do you make the anh? NinaTL: They have a similar one in Greece BeyzaY: can u play it Veli? NinaTL: baklamas VeliB: not so similir CarlaA: no, kidding! Vance playing the guitar?! VeliB: similar BarbaraS1: ep VeliB: yes VanceS: we used to play at TESOL conferences DennisOl: No, I don't know the baglama. I'd like to know more about it, though. BarbaraS1: yes VeliB: ı can play CarlaA: yes, Thomas, the nasal sound for ão! BeyzaY: Great VeliB: ı have been playing it for 5 years VeliB: can you play beyza? CarlaA: so, vance, how about playing in New York!!! BeyzaY: no ThomasLev: my question is really a keyboard question VeliB: ı wish u could NinaTL: Veli, where is Bolu? CarlaA: oh...tom BeyzaY: I know how to playa the guitar DennisOl: See this re the baglama (sorry that I can't make the diacritic over the "g"): BeyzaY: but DennisOl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baglama CarlaA: it is ~ao VeliB: it on yhe north of turkey VeliB: conratulations dennis SvetlanaM: In SL, anyone can play a musican instrument without the sweat of learning BeyzaY: I can only play rhtyms CarlaA: ctrl key ~ then a o NinaTL: We are an unusually international group today BeyzaY: yeah NinaTL: Sometimes I see we are only Americans at TI VeliB: rhtyms are also nice CarlaA: I miss so much the sunday chats... DennisOl: Veli: :-) VeliB: like darbuka:) NinaTL: I love it when people chime in from every continent BeyzaY: Veli is it your 1st time here NinaTL: Has anyone heard from Daf and tere lately? VeliB: yes BeyzaY D CarlaA: but generally I'm with the family.... CarlaA: yes, nina NinaTL: I got an email from tere that she was biking every day in the beautiful weather BeyzaY: that page is awesome Carla BarbaraS1: has anyone heard of Taylor Mali? BarbaraS1: he is coming to speak at our school tomorrow DennisOl: Here's a YouTube video showing a darbuka player: CarlaA: Dafne is really involved in the EVO coordination. EVO training for moderators starting this week DennisOl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HBN9cpzook SvetlanaM: yes, Taylor Mali. Why do we teach? NinaTL: Beyza, tell us about your meeting with Rita SvetlanaM: yes yes yes. It's brill BarbaraS1: yes right NinaTL: I am afraid I won't have time for EVO this year :-( BeyzaY: it was fantastic BarbaraS1: we will him talk tomorrow CarlaA: beyza, thanks. DennisOl: I've heard from Teresa, Nina, but not Dafne. NinaTL: I have to buckle down with this accreditation business CarlaA: how about Tere, Dennis? BeyzaY: we were together for 4 hours and we talked a lot SvetlanaM: He's coming to your school tomorrow: Barbar? Oh, I wish I couldbe there CarlaA: I can imagine the feeling Beyza! DennisOl: She's OK, but she's been very busy at school. BarbaraS1: yes he is DennisOl: (Teresa, that is.) BeyzaY: it was really nice to meet a webhead f2f SvetlanaM: Lucky school, lucky you! BarbaraS1: we are going tomorrow CarlaA: it seems that we have to update things and talk about everything BeyzaY: I hope to meet u all guys NinaTL: Where did you spend your 4 hours, Beyza? DennisOl: I'm sure it was, Beyza, and Rita is very special. NinaTL: Did she visit you at work? BeyzaY: we had dinner together DennisOl: Insh'allah, Beyza! NinaTL: or did you meet somehwere? BeyzaY: Itook Rita her husband CarlaA: Rita is really funny! BeyzaY: and her firend DennisOl: Oh, how wonderful! BeyzaY: to very nice place BeyzaY: yeah NinaTL: Does her husband know English? BeyzaY: and energeticx CarlaA: you need to share your photos... DennisOl: Did someone take photos, Beyza? BeyzaY: no CarlaA: no kidding! NinaTL: What?? No Photos? DennisOl: What a pity! CarlaA: you got so involved that you forgot... BeyzaY: yeah NinaTL: What did you eat? BeyzaY: ı have two photos in my facebook BeyzaY: Ill add more SvetlanaM: Hey, you guys, that's so funny. You don't it's possible to not take photos! NinaTL: So there are photos DennisOl: I'd love to see them, Beyza. BeyzaY: lots of traiditonal things BeyzaY: içli köfte BeyzaY: lentil soup DennisOl: Mmmm BeyzaY: çigkofte NinaTL: that's like meat patties? BeyzaY: mixed kebab CarlaA: Svet, it's because we want to "see" what it was like! BarbaraS1: i love lentil soup NinaTL: What is cig? DennisOl: Sounds delicious! BeyzaY: yeah BarbaraS1: you cant ruin it DennisOl: I do, too, Bobbi. CarlaA: I love lentil and kebabs! ThomasLev: brb BarbaraS1: and i can ruin about anything :) BeyzaY: and we had nice Turkish Deserts NinaTL: I love Turkish food--there are so many delicious meatless dishes SvetlanaM: Yeah, exactly. You all couldn't believe it -! I think the text chat was funny. DennisOl: Turkish desserts are wonderful! BeyzaY: güllaç and kadayıf BeyzaY: why dont u come here BeyzaY: to aet them? NinaTL: And I love having yogurt as a side BeyzaY: eat CarlaA: one day I'll get there, Beyza NinaTL: That's one big difference between Turkish and Greek cuisines, which are so similar BeyzaY: yeah DennisOl: I haven't had güllac, but I've had kadayif: delicious! NinaTL: The Greeks do not mix yogurt with savory dishes DennisOl: gullaç NinaTL: except for tzadziki (cacik) DennisOl: güllaç SvetlanaM: And here in London we have Greek Yogurt, which is different (better) from normal yoghurt. NinaTL: My Turkish friend nedret wants me to go and visit her DennisOl: (Just wanted to see if I could make the diacritics) NinaTL: I really want to although it would mean leaving my family here NinaTL: Dennis, are you showing off? lol DennisOl: I love tzadziki, Nina: it's one of my favorites. NinaTL: Me, too NinaTL: Dennis SvetlanaM: How did you make the diacritics in this text chatwindow,, Dennis? DennisOl: No, testing, Nina. ;-) NinaTL: It is different from cacik BeyzaY: if anyone from webheads comes here NinaTL: Cacik is soupier, eaten with a spoon BeyzaY: Ill be glad to meet them BarbaraS1: ok we are all coming tomorrow :) NinaTL: Tzadziki has the same ingredients minus the water--all the liquid is drained off the yogurt, making it more like a dip BarbaraS1: wishful thinking SvetlanaM: Dennis, don't worry - it'll be a complicated explanation! BeyzaY smiles NinaTL: But both are delicious DennisOl: On a Mac, I can make umlauts, cedilla, eñe, and accents by using keystroke combinations. JiaYuL joined the room. SvetlanaM: aha! A Mac lol .... DennisOl: Hi, JiaYuL. SvetlanaM: Dennis, thanks BarbaraS1: i am getting so hungry DennisOl chuckles NinaTL: I don't have a Mac but on my PC I am stymied even by the simplest things CarlaA: by the way, Dennis, maybe i could make it to our foodbridges show this week...I thought everything would happen on the same day, but it won't...so maybe! I'll check and send an email to the group JiaYuL smiles BeyzaY: can I ask a questiona bout wikis? BarbaraS1: it's almost dinnertime here DennisOl: Me, too, Bobbi! NinaTL: I find it very inconvenient to find even IPA symbols, which I often use DennisOl: Carlinha: That'd be wonderful! CarlaA: it would! DennisOl: I look forward to the e-mail, Carlinha! CarlaA: I'm dying to meet you all again DennisOl: Me, too! NinaTL: Welcome, Jai-Yu--another continent represented! SvetlanaM: Well, Nina, I've used several programmes for IPA and they all require patience, but they all work. CarlaA: you've written some wonderful emails that I haven't been able to reply...promise to do it! BarbaraS1: where are you from Jai-Yu? JiaYuL: it seems that I am too late CarlaA: just kind of overwhelmed, Dennis.... NinaTL: Carla, what's foodbridges? BarbaraS1: we are having a virtual feast DennisOl: It isn't hard to find IPA symbols, Nina. The problem is that if you want to show them on the web, you usually need to save them as graphics, because most people don't have IPA fonts installed on their computers. SvetlanaM: JiaYul - don't worry, I also arrived late - one hour late! BarbaraS1: so you can give us something to eat CarlaA: Nina, we'd love to have you there in our FoodBridges NinaTL: I was late because I was having breakfast CarlaA: Nina, foodbridges is a webcasting thing we've been trying out to play around with webcasting and talking about something everybody enjoys NinaTL: I would like to install the IPA font but what I don't understand is why Microsoft doesn't include all the symbols NinaTL: They have some, just not all of them NinaTL: and it seems different in sifferent fonts SvetlanaM: That's a good excuse, Nina... assuming that FoodBridges is about food. SvetlanaM: What is FoodBridges, please, someone? BarbaraS1: i dont know DennisOl: Sveta and Bobbi: It's a webcast featuring discussions of cooking and food. CarlaA: here's the info, Nina http://explorations.bloxi.jp/webcasters-adventures/ BarbaraS1: oh sounds good DennisOl: Nina: You can download IPA fonts from the Yamada Language Center: DennisOl: http://babel.uoregon.edu/yamada/fonts/phonetic.html NinaTL: Are they free, Dennis? I am cheap. DennisOl: Yes, they're free. NinaTL: Excellent! DennisOl: I've downloaded them and used them (for free) for years. SvetlanaM: Thanks for that info re Yamada, Dennis. NinaTL: Well you all have given me lots of food--for thought DennisOl: For handouts, it's better to make a .pdf than a Word document--because if someone doesn't have the IPA fonts installed, they come out as garbage. NinaTL: I am going to retreat and investigate, and also do a bit of work I brought home (ugh) BeyzaY: do this year DennisOl: You're welcome, Sveta. NinaTL: That's good advice, Dennis NinaTL: I think I need special software to create a pdf, right? DennisOl: Nina: You can save IPA characters as graphics if you post on the Web. DennisOl: You should be able to save as a .pdf from Word. NinaTL: I didn't know that DennisOl: For an example of IPA on the Web, see this: NinaTL: There is SO much to learn ThomasLev: and so little time! DennisOl: Here's the link: DennisOl: http://www.d-oliver.net/pronunciation/dictations/menu.htm DennisOl: Definitely, Nina and Tom. NinaTL: I will leave you all with this article from today's Washington Post on the plethora of books coming out to explain virtual reality: NinaTL: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/19/AR2007101900628.html NinaTL: And now I take my leave of you all DennisOl: On the page that I linked, some of the characters are IPA and some are not. BarbaraS1: bye NinaTL: Tom, thanks for accompanying the chat this morning with your wonderful music NinaTL vanishes NinaTL left the room (signed off). DennisOl: I'll check that article later, Nina. Efkharistóu! BeyzaY: bye Nina DennisOl: I'm looking forward to hearing you music again, Tom. I couldn't link to it quickly enough here at the chat, so I'll have to listen later. SvetlanaM: Well, I'm also going to take my leave. Next week I'll be on time for the beginning of the session. See ya! CarlaA: bye, nina DennisOl: Sveta, it was really, really nice to meet you! DennisOl: Paká! DennisOl: Sveta: These session are always interesting--and you never what will be discussed! DennisOl: These sessions ThomasLev: O BarbaraS1: yes true SvetlanaM: Hehehe - I can't find the logout button! ThomasLev: I'll send you a cd if I can get organized BarbaraS1: we went from bullying to food and ipa BarbaraS1: lost of stuff tonight DennisOl: I mean from bullyism to banjos is quite a range! SvetlanaM left the room (signed off). ThomasLev: has a lot of so. Illinois color on it DennisOl: What does, Tom? BarbaraS1: yes i forgot the banjo ThomasLev: the cd itself- the picture was shot in the Shawnee DennisOl: Ah, I see. ThomasLev: in mid-October DennisOl: Shawnee National Forest? ( http://www.fs.fed.us/r9/forests/shawnee/ ) ThomasLev: yes DennisOl smiles VanceS: gosh, sorry, shutting down office computers, and let this window lapse DennisOl: I have a coffee table book about Southern Illinois. I think it's called _Land Between the Rivers_. Beautiful photos. Shows the richness of Southern Illinois (not financially, but in terms of nature, people, etc.) VanceS: ah, still active, good DennisOl: It also shows the Russian church in Royalton. JiaYuL left the room. ThomasLev: so. Illinois won't forget you, Dennis! ThomasLev: you can take the boy out of the country, DennisOl: Southern Illinois already HAS forgotten me! :-) DennisOl: But I haven't forgotten it! ThomasLev: but you can't take the country out of the boy! DennisOl: Ain' DennisOl: Ain't that dis the truth, though? ("Take the boy out of the country . . . .") ThomasLev: I'll bet if you take a Russian Orthodox church choir tour, they'd know you! DennisOl: In some places, they would, Tom. DennisOl: I think some of my music is still being sung in a few parishes. DennisOl: By the way, Southern Illinois fall color is like this: VanceS: did you write it Dennis? DennisOl: http://www.fs.fed.us/r9/conditions/fall_color/ JiaYuL joined the room. DennisOl: Yes, I wrote a lot and also transcribed a lot (from Church Slavonic to English). ThomasLev: it's not a great year, because of the dryness DennisOl: Welcome back, JiaYuL! DennisOl: Too bad, Tom. The fall color can be glorious there! DennisOl: But I always liked spring better than fall. DennisOl: There's a stretch of interstate in So. IL that is particularly beautiful: red and white dogwoods and Judas Trees (redbud). I can see it now, in my mind. ThomasLev: spring is nice too, except that it's followed by summer ThomasLev: Judas- I'd never heard that DennisOl: True. And summer in So. IL is why some folks call it "The Armpit of the Nation" (because of the humidity). DennisOl: Yep. ThomasLev: called Judas, because they turn so quickly? DennisOl: I don't know. But see this: DennisOl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cercis DennisOl: This is what Answer.com says: DennisOl: http://www.answers.com/topic/cercis ThomasLev: I'll read it later- but it's very interesting.... ThomasLev: unfortunately now young-uns are calling and I have to go... ThomasLev: take care all! DennisOl: And here's a little more from Britannica Online: DennisOl: http://www.britannica.com/eb/topic-307418/Judas-tree DennisOl: You take care, too, Tom! ThomasLev left the room (signed off). BarbaraS1: bye BarbaraS1: I think I am going to go and think about dinner DennisOl: And I need to get rid of some coffee and get some more! DennisOl: . . . . So I think I'll leave, too. DennisOl: This has been a particularly interesting chat. DennisOl: Take care, everyone. BarbaraS1: thanks you too DennisOl: Vance, I'm glad you're home safely. BarbaraS1: bye see you later ! BeyzaY: cya soon Dennis BarbaraS1 left the room (signed off). DennisOl: Beyza, it was great to chat! DennisOl: Carlinha, I'll be in touch later today. DennisOl: Veli and JianYu, it was nice to meet you! DennisOl: And now . . . . DennisOl vanishes into the cybersphere DennisOl left the room (signed off). CarlaA: dennis, see you! BeyzaY: t activity part Carla BeyzaY: sorry VanceS lurks on VeliB left the room (signed off). VanceS left the room (signed off). 2007.10.21 07:35:09 Signoff